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Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.03 17:45:00 -
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Moneta Curran wrote:My 2 cts.: Remove Quote: +10 virus strength for relic and data analyzers
because, really.. who runs data sites in a faction battleship and swap it for some decent remote rep range..
Data sites in wormholes don't explode and nearly (or successfully) one-shot your cruiser.
Ghost sites, on the other hand...
The analysis ability is obviously designed so you can effectively run null/WH ghost sites with the benefit of battleship EHP to handle the massive explosion. |
Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.03 17:55:00 -
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Moneta Curran wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Data sites in wormholes don't explode and nearly (or successfully) one-shot your cruiser.
Ghost sites, on the other hand...
The analysis ability is obviously designed so you can effectively run null/WH ghost sites with the benefit of battleship EHP to handle the massive explosion.
Alright, but I thought the general idea was to avoid the explosion, not sit there and try to eat it in your billion isk faction battleship...
If you fail a hack, boom.
If you disconnect for any reason it counts as a failed hack. Boom.
If you take too long during a hack or hang around in the site too long, bigger boom.
It's something that, if triggered, you can't avoid. |
Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.03 18:14:00 -
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Leave the virus bonus. It doesn't need a MJD bonus with that super-low mass, either. |
Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.03 18:36:00 -
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Yterje wrote:Since a large part of the SoE ships are their advanced circular warp drives, does anyone else think it'd be reasonable to make this battleship warp faster than a normal battleship? Maybe 2.5 au/s? It also would line up well with the decreased mass idea. Just seems like there aught to be a purpose to that giant circular engine since it's not being used as a stabilizer for covert cloaks. Also, I'd just like to say that I really love the look of the concept art I saw for it, with the front loaded warp engine: http://imgur.com/9gSs7J8
Except that they aren't circular warp drives. They're strange structures that are connected to the power core. Until now, they've been connected to augmenting cloak operation. |
Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.03 18:51:00 -
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Michael Harari wrote:Or drop the RR for black ops cloak bonuses (recalibration and velocity bonuses)
Please let's not turn this thing into another ship that has to be pre-nerfed for being a sologankmobile that nobody will actually use for ganking - you know, like the Stratios. |
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Posted - 2013.12.04 00:14:00 -
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CCP Rise/Fozzie: I don't know about others, but I think it might be supremely useful if an explanation of what this ship was designed around were provided. You know, kind of like you did for the Astero and Stratios but not as vague and open to interpretation.
Also, some kind of bonus to a cloak would be kind of nice, even if it's not cloaked velocity or the ability to use covops cloaks. Non-covops cloaks have tons of drawbacks, which means there are tons of potential other bonuses you could give to them besides just velocity.
Still, nobody at CCP gives a bonus to anything without having a purpose in mind (even if the reason makes no sense) so I for one would be interested in an explanation of the current bonus layout.
For everyone else: Oh no, a ship that doesn't fit into modern-day fleet doctrines. How terrible. As if 95% of you would ever actually PvP with one of these anyway despite your cries of how useless they are for it. |
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Posted - 2013.12.04 16:00:00 -
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BeanBagKing wrote:The common option among the EFT warriors here ...
Remind me again why EFT warriors should be allowed to have opinions in the first place, much lest post them in a public forum. |
Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.05 14:31:00 -
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After looking at the cloaks ingame, I've come up with something. For the Astero and the Stratios, the ring structure facilitates the use of CovOps cloaks. Having the same ring on the battleship without any cloaking bonuses at all just doesn't make any sense whatsoever and certainly doesn't feel like it's a ship in the same series as the others.
While a cloaked velocity bonus on the Nestor would be nice, I do feel that it would step on the toes of Black Ops ships unless they're getting a significant rework during their balance pass. A cloak reactivation bonus or a reduction in targeting delay after decloaking would be nice too, but the other two ships haven't got either of these and they seem to be just fine. Letting the Nestor use a CovOps cloak isn't going to happen, so that really leaves us one viable (and potentially very useful) option:
Give the Nestor a bonus to nullify the scan res penalty when a cloak is fitted.
If you want to be truly unique, go even further and give it a bonus that actually increases the ship's scan resolution when a cloak is fitted. Something like "-100% to scan resolution penalty of fitted cloaking devices". |
Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.05 17:22:00 -
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Wouldn't +20 also make sure that absolutely and literally everyone could complete even WH Ghost Sites with ease? |
Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.05 18:51:00 -
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Since it's so popular to write up complete proposed stat lists, I thought I'd try it too. Underlined are changes from Rise's original post.
[/quote]NESTOR
Amarr Battleship Bonuses: 4% Armor resistances per level
Gallente Battleship Bonuses: 10% drone damage and hitpoints per level
Role bonuses: 50% bonus to Armor Maintenance Bot Repair Amount -100% Scan Resolution Penalty for Cloaking Devices 50% bonus to large energy turret optimal range 50% increased strength for scan probes +10 virus strength for relic and data analyzers
Slot layout: 7H, 6M, 6L; 5 turrets, 0 launchers Fittings: 11250 PWG, 690 CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull): 8900 / 9950 / 9900 Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap/s) : 6200 / 1044 / 5.9 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 92 / .18 / 56000000 / 13.97 Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 / 500 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 75km / 85 / 7 Sensor strength: 24 Magnetometric Signature radius: 465 Cargo Capacity: 700[/quote]
Thoughts?
By the way, you can fit a full rack of lasers into that amount of powergrid if you use Dual Heavy Beam IIs or Dual Heavy Pulse IIs. |
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Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.05 19:07:00 -
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BeanBagKing wrote:Lets try it this way Thaddeus Eggeras, I'll put the power in your hands.
You have 100 LP
I offer you two deals. I will either give you a) 300 isk for every LP or b) 2000 isk for every LP. Which deal will you take?
That is the choice everyone who cashes out LP will be looking at. a) is the BS blueprint, and b) is the sisters probes. Unless a becomes greater than or equal to b, nobody is going to chose a. See?
If a becomes equal to b, then the ship cost will be 2 bil ( or there about). If the ship price dropsanywhere below this, people will start choosing b again because its higher than a.
Thaddeus is kind of right, but only because there are some very truly monumentally stupid people playing EVE. Just like people who assume the minerals they mine have no ISK value and thus sell ships for below manufacturing cost, there will be people who sell Nestor BPCs at an effective loss compared to more profitable things because they don't understand the concept of ISK-per-LP exchange or are too lazy to bother with it.
What he isn't understanding is that most people who have even a slight understanding of the ISK/LP concept will simply not buy Nestor BPCs at all if something else offers a better ISK return on their LP investment, meaning that if the BPC doesn't sell for at least X amount there won't be any to buy in the first place. |
Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.05 19:15:00 -
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Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:Alvatore DiMarco, ding ding ding! Someone got it. Try to sell a SoE Bs for 2bil, someone will do it for 1.5bil and so on.
At some point though, people are going to see the terrible price that the BPCs are selling for and buy something - anything - else instead. Then the supply will dry up and the price will skyrocket beyond anything anyone is willing to pay for. At that point it will be cheaper to grind your own LP instead. Or the price will stay poor and nobody will buy one to resell and in either case you end up being better off grinding the LP yourself. |
Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.05 19:18:00 -
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Salvatore... |
Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.05 19:26:00 -
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:And being able to target while cloaked? That'd be pretty amazing
Err, no. I think you misunderstand. Cloaking devices impose a penalty on your scan resolution just by having them fitted. The idea is to remove that penalty so that you can fit a cloak and still target normally (scan recalibration delay notwithstanding).
I felt it needed something to benefit cloak usage, even if most of the other options weren't viable or balanced.
Herpp Derpp wrote:Can it shoot while cloaked too? No, that would be completely stupid. Not understanding module properties is bad and you should feel bad. |
Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.05 19:28:00 -
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Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:The thing you are ALL missing is that you can get the BPs and Ship for the same prive and LP as the rest of the pirate faction ships. Just do missions for Sanc. So the people that do thosem issions can set their prices much lower then those of do missions in high sec. Those people will make a ton by doing this also, IF they do it right.
The thing you are missing is that Sanctuary exists deep inside CFC space. Do you really think you're going to be running Sanctuary missions without paying fees to CFC for the privilege? That is, of course, assuming they even let you (odds are they won't) and don't also gank you when you try to leave their space with the BPC. |
Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.05 19:34:00 -
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Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:Do you really think CFC won't do them and sell the BP and ship, and won't allow their alts and etc to do them and under price you?
And i already said they should have Sanc missions drop BPs and/or maybe other sites sometimes too
Why would they underprice anyone when they can just sell them at whatever price is fashionable in Empire? If prices drop too low they can just buy up the low-priced ones and mark them up. Or keep them inside the coalition and create some strange "look how disgustingly rich we are" doctrine out of them. |
Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.05 19:53:00 -
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Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:CCP please give Sanc more places to do their missions, also through in BP here and there in their missions and maybe in systems they are loc in so people can stop whining and I can be bored again. Thank you CCP
Are there Sansha agents in Cobalt Edge? Angel Cartel agents in Delve? Blood Raider agents in Fountain? Guristas agents in Etherium Reach? |
Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.06 13:14:00 -
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CCP's vision of what ships are "about" and things those ships happen to be good at as a result are not necessarily the same thing.
Quite often, in fact. |
Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.07 04:21:00 -
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A dual-XLASB Vargur can L5. |
Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.07 04:42:00 -
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I continue to hope for some sort of unique cloak bonus. |
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Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.07 16:14:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:The Nestor is good as is. Shut it and let's get it on SiSi to get tested so it can be adjusted IF needed just remove the lazor/hacking bonus replace with jump bridge and jump drive. then we are good.
Why do you even bother to act like the hacking and scanning bonuses exist? Rise already said he won't swap them with something else. I suspect the laser bonuses are the same. |
Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.07 16:20:00 -
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We have to wait for the model to be finished anyway, so might as well discuss. |
Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.08 04:30:00 -
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Would it help make the ship useable if they gave it a covops jump drive with a brand-new "SoE bridge generator" that can only be used by SoE ships, a clone bay, an SoE-only AoE doomsday that fully repairs all allied ships within 100km (useable once an hour), made the ring on the front rotate and gave it roving searchlights underneath? |
Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.08 16:26:00 -
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The price of the Stratios might drop a little but I don't see it falling too much further. Barring idiots and people selling at a loss for quick money, the price floor of the Nestor will be regulated by whatever the other Sisters items can be profitably sold for.
In other topics, I think Rise can sufficiently deduce from all of this that the Nestor really really needs something along the lines of a cloaking bonus. Replace the RR amount bonus with it since people seemed so willing to trade amount for range.
And get someone to fix the forums again. This week every single post I make is being eaten the first time I post it, no matter how long it takes to write. |
Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.08 19:59:00 -
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Would interceptors or recons with OGB and heated tackle still have to zoom 100km? |
Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.11 08:09:00 -
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Right, so.
Who likes pie?
I bet CCP Rise likes pie. |
Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.11 18:58:00 -
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CCP desperately needs to have a New Player Training Session on the definition of "Pay to Win".
Virtually nobody in Features & Ideas seems to have any concept of what the term actually means.
For godsakes, go play some free-to-play games for a few months and then come back when you've been properly educated. |
Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.11 19:14:00 -
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Seven role bonuses is a bit much (it's actually completely ridiculous, regardless of what the bonuses are) and you're entitled to your opinion, but you being a festering, pustule-ridden ******* about it is not conducive to constructive discussion.
HTFU and play nice or GTFO the pool. Thanks.
EDIT: And while you're at it, learn what "Pay to Win" means. |
Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.11 19:20:00 -
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Mournful Conciousness wrote:If you two don't get a room for your love games soon I reckon one of the moderators will remove your posts (and this one )
You can tell it's time for CCP to step in and say something again when we've run so completely out of things to fight about that we start openly attacking each other.
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Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.12 02:18:00 -
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The more I think about it, the more I actually like the idea of SoE bridges that only SoE ships can go through. |
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Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.12 04:04:00 -
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I would still like to see a bonus on the Nestor that negates the scan res penalty of having a standard T1/T2 cloak fitted.
It's silly IMO that there isn't something. |
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Posted - 2013.12.12 13:50:00 -
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Joker Dronemaster wrote:Define eventually. Are we talking a few days, weeks, months, years, or decades?
Black Ops ships will be rebalanced after Marauders but before T3s. T3s will be rebalanced last before capitals.
If I remember correctly, Pirate ships will be rebalanced after T2s and before T3s.
Capitals will be rebalanced last. |
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Posted - 2013.12.12 14:24:00 -
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I'm actually not willing to dig through two or three months of old threads, no.
I'm almost completely sure it was a post by CCP Ytterbium though. |
Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.13 05:32:00 -
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That's not actually the one I was thinking of, but it's close. One of the CCPs actually laid out a specific high-level timeline but I don't recall who or what it was. |
Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.15 20:53:00 -
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I want to take a moment to point out that the SoE ships have always been primarily aimed toward PvE use while still keeping their ability to do PvP as a consideration. It's completely evident in the design of the Astero and Stratios, as well as Rise's introduction of them. There's no reason to suspect that the Nestor is any different at all. |
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Posted - 2013.12.15 22:57:00 -
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Agreed, Uriel. It's been a very long time since there were fresh blue bars in this thread. Some ideas have been raised that are worth addressing. |
Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.17 00:46:00 -
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I respectfully submit that if the ring were rear-mounted, not only would it look akin to an oversized Stratios but people would also be complaining about that very fact as well, saying that it should have been mounted somewhere original to keep it from looking like a bigger version of the other ships. |
Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.19 19:16:00 -
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Role Bonus:
Absorbs 30% of incoming damage done to allied ships within 10k Allied ships within 5k become immune to targeted interdiction +1000% to Smartbomb visual effect size Smartbomb effects will have multicolored sparkles +75% to all resistances when given a blender- or "personal massager"-related name |
Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.26 15:10:00 -
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Rubicon 1.1 is in late January. We're just a few short days away from early January.
I sincerely hope that when the relevant people at CCP come back from holiday break, the very first thing they do is deploy Rubicon 1.1 to SiSi. Let's please not have a repeat of RLMLs. |
Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2014.01.11 09:05:00 -
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I put the smallest size of large beams on. They aren't very useful, but when are lasers ever spectacular on a Sisters ship? |
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Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2014.01.17 07:50:00 -
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After testing the Nestor, I can say one thing:
At least it turns quickly. |
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